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Poster: smgarcia Date: Dec 22, 2008 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Just noticed that 1974-06-28 (DP #12) Boston, MA. That show ended with Ship of Fools as Encore. How underwhelming is that?!?!. The previous night they encored Eyes of the World. Now that is an encore. But Ship of Fools?

I always felt that Ship of Fools never really fit into the sequence of songs at a concert. It always kind of stuck out, always seemingly out of place.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Dec 22, 2008 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Many of the encores I recall were buzz killers, IMO meant to send you on your way.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Dec 22, 2008 8:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

at the very least you are partly right -- you may be close to 100% right.... and i find the sentiment totally in line with the general attitude of the band, they did it all. they played A LOT of gigs -- they knew a lot about manipulating/managing an audience... of course there would be a sense at any given point of... "well... we can't make it too good." (i mean there is no way you can go out there and play 12/31/78 80 or 90 times a year.... so it is a fact, they usually held something back. on a night like 12/31/78 they showed their whole hand.... that is not their normal M.O.)

there were times when i think they really carried the energy of a good second set into the encore. that might be another thread.... but, especially in the later years, it was obviously more of an obligation. after many mediocre, uninspired sets the boys dutifully would come out for an encore... i wonder how they went about those encores on B- nights, a shot at redemption? or as martyrs doing their penance? i mean no matter how seasoned a pro you are it is hard to fall on your face and then get up and try again.... and with the dead, sometimes 3, 4, 5 or 6 of them might ALL fall on their faces and then come back out..... you know at least one of 'em ain't gonna be right yet and that is all it takes to tip the cart over again.


all the sudden the tempo is wrong, someone sings the wrong line.... and then FUCK IT! let's get outta here!


BUT Ship of Fools as an encore? i'll take it!! that's like you get one whole extra good song -- and NOT just some "werewolves of london" "satisfaction" don't get me started boring encore selection....


This post was modified by He Live's on 2008-12-23 04:14:27

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Poster: edgehead 2 Date: Dec 22, 2008 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Well, at least it was "a heavy duty love ballad". Well, to Phil anyway. :)

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 23, 2008 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

not too divert the Ship of fools question but I recently brought up Oxford me 1988 in another post and I remember the second night encore of NFA. While unexpected it was a bit weird and underwhelming. It's a very quick and raunchy version and when the crowd starts the chant the band bolts never to return.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 22, 2008 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Not exactly my favorite Dead tune (to say the least)but it's grown on me a little over the years- and I'd certainly rather hear "Ship" before heading home than some of the abominable covers of later years like "Baba", "Lucy", "I Fought the Law", etc.

(not trying to get back into the 90s bashing thing, just being honest about where the song rates for me)

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Poster: Rings&Bells Date: Dec 22, 2008 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Not as underwhelming as a Don't Ease encore!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Dec 22, 2008 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

I love Ship...but as an encore? Not really one to send people twirling into the parking lot. It DOES have that line: "It was later than I thought..." which sounds like a close of show sentiment. Maybe a double encore was in order: Ship->?

Help me out, fellas!

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2008-12-23 02:58:37

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 22, 2008 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

Since I only went to West Coast shows from 74 to 82, I scanned the first couple of dozen and realized something: I must have heard JBGoode, USBlues, and OMSatNight a shit load of times! Esp the first two...a BrDownPal and INaMir, but pretty consistent with USB...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 23, 2008 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

Trying this again

In addition to your fine selection Will Tell I also saw my fair share of Dough Knees.

I have seen a few notable exceptions, however, have little or no recollection: 11/2/79 - Casey Jones, 5/9/81 - Brokedown, 5/18/80 - Alabama Getaway, 4/17/82 - It's all over now Baby Blue, 4/13/83 - Touch of Grey, 9/20/87 - Touch of Grey > Brokedown.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 23, 2008 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

Had to think about the "dough knees" for a second.

You know what gets me is that I am soooo frickin anal retentive, and yet somehow, almost as it should be, I never paid attention to the set lists and such for the shows I attended. I couldn't have even told you that Peggy-O and CrazFingers from 75 were on there until the last two years scanning this place...I somehow ALWAYS recalled OMSNight from 9-28-75 and actually thought they only played three songs or some such and jammed the rest of the time, but really, couldn't have told you about a single encore and said "Oh damn, we loved it!" but that's cause I couldn't have told you what they opened with either!

Just didn't retain any of it though at the time I loved it all (so it's not my 60s bias or some such).

Off the top of my head, that OMSNight was an intense performance, and so was an INAMiracle in fall of 78. I always recall how songs like that seemed lackluster on tapes or albums, but when huge emphasis on bass/changes/etc., it was MUCH more intense live...if that makes sense.

Also always recalled a M&MUnc in which Bob changes the words to "and I cracked in the jaw" or somesuch, but that's about it...

Now my memory is getting confounded as having listened to PegO here a time or two (yes, I cheat), I do think of that as great....

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 23, 2008 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Swiss Cheese . . .

. . .is alot like my memory

If I did not have some of the ticket stubs I could swear I was never even at some shows - others (like Patrick Gym) it is hard to forget being there but I could never tell you what they played without looking it up - I can tell you it was really small and some usher dude kept telling me to get out of the aisle - it was ridiculous - these guys were trying to keep folks in their seats and then there's people like me dancin' in the aisles and having a blast - oh and it had absolutely nothing to do with the fungi.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 23, 2008 5:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Swiss Cheese . . .

Yeah, looking over the shows here I realized I had a DancinitStreets encore! At least for the 60s versions, that would have been sumthin! Damn, guess it was the almost reggae Donna and Bobby version that I got in 76 or 77...oh well.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Dec 22, 2008 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

oh i see why you are a 60s snob now. that makes sense. why didn't you just say so?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 23, 2008 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

60's snob?

He's a connoisseur!

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 23, 2008 6:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

Encores were never the band's strong point, for whatever reason.

It got so bad that many heads would make their ways to the parking lot if they started in on Don't Ease or JBGoode or something equally as predictable.

Then there came a night in the 80's...I think it mighta been '82, someone help me out here, when at the Cap Ctr. fans started leaving during the encore like the Dodger "fans" did in Game 1 of the '88 World Series when Eck had 2 outs and the game looked over...and like the saps who missed Kirk Gibson's game-winning blast that followed, a bunch of heads at the Cap Center show missed the out-of-nowhere SECOND encore they decided to do, which was RIPPLE.

I was not there but the event took on a legendary quality and convinced many heads to NEVER leave during the encore again, no matter how lame or mailed-in it sounded.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Dec 23, 2008 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

this was the show!!! for ripple i happend to be there for this one!! i;ll take ship of fools any day any time those blue lights were brilliant.... i wont slave for beggars pay likewise gold and jewels!!! http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-03.sbd.miller.27749.sbeok.flacf http://arts.ucsc.edu/gdead/agdl/ship.html i dig them lyrics!! :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 23, 2008 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

as was I. completely unremarkable show and then "pow"! All I remember tune wise from that run at the Cap Center (more favorable memories of ACC Tournaments there.)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Dec 23, 2008 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

It was 1988 - the one and only time the boys played a request - and it came to them through the "make a wish" foundation

http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-09-03.sbd.miller.27749.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Dec 23, 2008 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What were yours?

I knew someone would step up and identify! Thanks, fenario. I'll have to give it a listen.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Dec 22, 2008 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ship of Fools as Encore?

Rather hear Ship than Day Job